WEBVTT 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:10.560 Helena, Why does every city need its own smart city strategy? 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:13.720 Can't you just implement the Smart City Card, 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.720 which is valid for the whole of Germany anyway? 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:19.360 I would say no to both. 00:00:19.360 --> 00:00:22.760 So not every city needs its own city strategy. 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:27.520 Simply because the topic can also be covered in other areas. 00:00:27.520 --> 00:00:31.400 Through a sustainability strategy or fragmented in any other area. 00:00:31.840 --> 00:00:35.840 But you couldn't just implement the map at the local 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.840 level this time, because in my view it is more of a set 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:43.840 of rules that specifies a way in which certain 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:47.840 processes are to be implemented than that it now 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:53.800 specifies concrete goals and measures from which a municipality could choose. 00:00:54.120 --> 00:00:58.120 In addition, there are of course still local 00:00:58.120 --> 00:01:03.960 peculiarities that are then addressed in such a municipal smart city strategy. 00:01:05.080 --> 00:01:09.040 Yes, and part of your job is to support municipalities in developing such 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.040 strategies. 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.080 This means that you have a pretty good overview of what is in these documents. 00:01:15.080 --> 00:01:18.160 Throughout Germany, you can name a few similarities for the participants of our 00:01:18.160 --> 00:01:19.720 course. 00:01:19.720 --> 00:01:23.440 What do all cities wanting to become smart cities and where 00:01:23.440 --> 00:01:26.440 are the differences and different focal points? 00:01:28.160 --> 00:01:31.000 So similarities, I would say. 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:35.200 Everyone definitely wants to develop their own tools. 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:39.200 Sometimes it also feels like hell to develop 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:43.400 some tools, which are always included. 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.640 So the topic of digital participation or the topic of 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.640 citizen participation in general, I would say. 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.640 What is also quite often a topic is something like some 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.640 form of data visualization about you, the sport, a data 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.640 platform or a digital twin or something like that. 00:02:03.080 --> 00:02:05.120 These are great similarities, I would say. 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:07.560 And how do you differ? 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:11.360 Yes, so first of all, I would say in quality. 00:02:11.920 --> 00:02:14.720 There are very, very big differences in quality. 00:02:14.720 --> 00:02:18.720 Some are really bling bling, smart city 00:02:18.720 --> 00:02:22.720 strategies, in which simply all kinds of 00:02:22.720 --> 00:02:26.720 digitization measures, i.e. any new tools 00:02:26.720 --> 00:02:30.120 to be developed, some of which already 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:33.120 exist, are somehow codified. 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:37.000 Rather, in such a way that you can represent something that you have newly 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:38.960 created, created. 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:46.240 Also a bit of technology as an end in itself, to type it that way now. 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.240 And there are also certain cities that have the 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:54.240 capacities or that somehow take them to deal with 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:57.520 the topic, i.e. to really deal with it. 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.520 And then it will also move more in the direction of 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.720 sustainability or integrated urban 00:03:04.720 --> 00:03:07.720 planning as a whole. And so and that means? 00:03:07.720 --> 00:03:11.720 We have seen in the course that Germany is very much 00:03:11.720 --> 00:03:15.520 oriented towards the so-called Wiener Stadtwerke 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.520 definition of the smart city. 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:21.880 It says that smart cities should not be an end in themselves, but rather have a 00:03:21.880 --> 00:03:23.560 focus on sustainability. 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:27.720 And what you're saying now is that this 00:03:27.720 --> 00:03:30.720 is very different in practice. 00:03:30.760 --> 00:03:32.560 Do I understand that correctly? 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:34.680 Yes, I would definitely say. 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:38.720 This often depends very much on which department is responsible for it. 00:03:38.720 --> 00:03:41.840 This is a digitization, so that Smart City staff position that is newly 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:43.440 created. 00:03:43.720 --> 00:03:47.720 Sometimes there are central strategy departments, somehow and 00:03:47.720 --> 00:03:51.040 often it is also located in the area of sustainability. 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:55.760 It often happens that it is said that the sustainability strategy 00:03:55.760 --> 00:03:59.760 is the umbrella strategy and that Smart City should now be subdivided 00:03:59.760 --> 00:04:02.760 or that should be taken into account somehow. 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:07.400 But overall, I would say that if you look at the average, 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:12.840 i.e. we work on the two topics of sustainability and smart city the most. 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.840 And the average sustainability strategy is much better 00:04:16.840 --> 00:04:20.800 than the average smart city strategy, simply because 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.800 there is already much more preparatory work. 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:28.160 And to be honest, in practice, I would say 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:32.160 that both topics, because they are so broad, 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:36.160 are often actually used to somehow find and 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.800 accommodate topics that are already underway. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:42.840 Yes, exactly. 00:04:42.840 --> 00:04:46.160 And now you're in. 00:04:46.440 --> 00:04:49.480 That's also one reason why we're having this conversation. 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.560 Because you wrote a master's thesis where you developed an indicator system for 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.480 smart cities. 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.120 We have already learned something like this here in the course for the topic of 00:04:58.120 --> 00:04:59.440 sustainable cities. 00:04:59.440 --> 00:05:03.440 There is a very established system that serves 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:07.440 to make this question of what is a sustainable 00:05:07.440 --> 00:05:12.280 city measurable and operationalize, as they say. 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.120 And you've now tried to transfer that to the topic of smart 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:21.080 cities, where, as you said, there isn't that much yet and well, what are some 00:05:21.080 --> 00:05:23.080 examples of that? 00:05:23.080 --> 00:05:25.120 What are Smart City Indicators? 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.720 How do I know if a city is really smart? 00:05:29.440 --> 00:05:31.600 I would also divide that again. 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.600 One is a smart city and a 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.600 smart city administration. 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:41.600 I would define the smart city in such a way that it is more like, 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.600 something like social and technical infrastructures that 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.600 somehow work well and run sustainably, etc. So my personal 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.600 favorite indicators I have now picked out something like 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.600 the share of organic waste in the residual waste bin, the 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.600 share of electricity from renewable energy sources or 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:05.560 something like the transport performance of public transport. 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.920 While for the Smart city administration, it's more about ensuring that 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:13.480 the planning and control processes work well and flexibly. 00:06:14.200 --> 00:06:18.200 And then there are indicators such as the proportion of 00:06:18.200 --> 00:06:22.200 measures completed according to plan, the degree of 00:06:22.200 --> 00:06:25.600 participation of the targeted target groups or 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.600 digitally supported planning processes, for example. 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.920 And you can now take stock of that. 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.920 So if Smart City is supposed to be there above all to support 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:40.920 sustainability, which is also shown by your examples, then many 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:45.160 indicators are probably congruent, because we have just named them. 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.320 You could also understand them as sustainability indicators. 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:53.560 Yes, what would you say, as from observation, how is the 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.000 overlap, what is the same and what is then again specific 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.000 Smart City? 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.360 So I think the topics of smart city and 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.360 sustainability definitely belong together 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.360 and they are also somehow just a new term that 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:16.120 focuses a bit more on the topic of digitalization. 00:07:16.840 --> 00:07:22.800 But actually, it's often about exactly the same things as sustainability. 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.320 Only on the condition that there are new technologies 00:07:26.320 --> 00:07:29.320 available that also help to achieve these goals. 00:07:29.760 --> 00:07:31.680 And in principle. 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.160 There is a totally large overlap. 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:40.160 Now specifically my indicators: Look, what has now 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:44.160 been created in the first mark-up has no overlap at 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:48.160 all with the Smart City Indicators are for municipalities 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:52.120 for the sustainability indicator Exactly. 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:55.360 But for the reason that I have set this as a premise. 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:59.360 I used the same methodology and that's why I wanted to see the 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.360 result more as a supplement to this already existing set, 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.720 rather than that there is now a lot of overlap and 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.720 you still have to sort out these indicators. 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.240 But I think that in this editing process, where I filtered 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:18.240 them out, a good 1/3 of the indicators that would otherwise 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.240 have ended up in my final set fell out because they 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.560 corresponded to the SDG indicators for municipalities. 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:31.160 And those that are now in the result indicators 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.480 could all be part of sustainability 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.480 management, I would say. 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:42.320 So that's exactly why yes, are we actually at a statement 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:46.720 that we might also propagate a bit here in this course? 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:51.240 That smart city is not about developing technology for 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:55.320 technology's sake, but about solving urban problems. 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.200 And these are in the 21st century. 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.200 urban sustainability problems. 00:09:00.640 --> 00:09:05.440 Thank you very much, Helena. Oh yes, thank you, thank you too.